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Just burn the damn things and get it over with already ok WHO CARES they just burnt a Christian man in Egypt alive so fuck their Qur’an…..

The head of a small Florida church says he’ll back off his plan to burn the Qur’an on Sept. 11 if he can meet with the organizers of a controversial proposed mosque in New York City.

Rev. Terry Jones, leader of the Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, has been at the centre of criticism over his plans to burn the Muslim holy book on the ninth anniversary of the attacks on the U.S.

Jones said on NBC’s Today show that he won’t burn the book if he gets the meeting he is seeking Saturday.

Jones’s plan has been condemned by President Barack Obama and other political leaders, along with top military officials, who have said burning the Qur’an would provoke militants in Afghanistan and put the lives of international soldiers in jeopardy.

On Thursday, Jones said he had decided to call off the burning because the person behind the effort to build an Islamic centre near Ground Zero had agreed to move its location.

But later Thursday night, Jones said the imam he thought he had a deal with “clearly, clearly lied to us” about moving the centre.


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I think this is the 1st I heard Obama say the words Al Qaeda since taking office…

President Barack Obama on Thursday said a Florida church’s plans to burn dozens of Qurans this weekend would be a “recruitment bonanza” for al Qaeda.

“You could have serious violence in places like Pakistan or Afghanistan,” Obama told ABC’s “Good Morning America.”

“This could increase the recruitment of individuals who’d be willing to blow themselves up in American cities or European cities.”

Obama said he hoped the pastor, Terry Jones, understands that the planned burning is a “destructive act” that may have a dangerous fallout.

“I just want him to understand that this stunt that he is talking about pulling could greatly endanger our young men and women in uniform who are in Iraq, who are in Afghanistan. We’re already seeing protests against Americans just by the mere threat of it,” Obama said.

His comments came amid increasing international condemnation of the planned event on September 11 with the Presidents of Indonesia and Pakistan voicing their disapproval.

Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono wrote a letter to President Barack Obama urging him to stop a Florida church that said it will burn copies of the Quran.

Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari expressed grave concern over the threats to burn copies of the Quran.

Terry Jones, the head of a small church in Gainesville, Florida, says he will go ahead with plans to burn Qurans on Saturday, to mark the anniversary of the September 11, 2001 attacks.

In his letter to Obama, President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono urged him “to ensure that this hideous act is not carried out,” said Teuku Faizasyah, a presidential spokesman.

“It’s a very dangerous situation and we are very concerned,” Faizasyah said.

Indonesia, which has a population of 230 million and is the world’s most populous Muslim state, is worried that burning the Muslim holy book would incite hardline Muslims in Indonesia and around the world, Faizasyah said.

Similar concerns are being echoed in Pakistan where there has been growing anger at the planned burning.

Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari said anyone who thought of such a despicable act must be suffering from a diseased mind and a sickly soul, said spokesman Farhatullah Babar.

Zardari said it will inflame sentiments among Muslims throughout the world and cause irreparable damage to interfaith harmony and world peace.

Also on Thursday Pakistan’s Interior Minister Rehman Malik called on Interpol, the international police organization, to stop the church from carrying out its plan to burn the Quran.

Meanwhile hardline Indonesian Muslims are threatening retaliation. The Islamic Defenders Front, told CNN it will protest the planned burning and will issue a death sentence on Terry Jones, if he carries out his plan.

There is also increasing opposition to the planned event in the U.S. amid increased warnings that doing so could endanger U.S. troops and Americans worldwide.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton condemned the planned burning.

Speaking Tuesday at an iftar meal in Washington to celebrate the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, Clinton said: “I am heartened by the clear, unequivocal condemnation of this disrespectful, disgraceful act that has come from American religious leaders of all faiths … as well as secular U.S. leaders and opinion makers.”

Earlier this week, the top U.S. military commander in Afghanistan, Gen. David Petraeus, warned that the plan “could cause significant problems” for American troops overseas.

In response Jones said: “We are burning the book, we are not killing someone. We are not murdering people.”


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People are always burning our flag they are always burning bibles and so forth.. Why such the out cry even Christians are out crying for this burning of the Quran… Even the most devote Christians seem to becoming more and more Muslim like… Could this be because so many think our very own President follows a religion that praised the flying of 2 jetliners into our towers???

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg defended on Tuesday a Florida pastor’s right to burn copies of the Quran during a public demonstration on the ninth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

“In a strange way I’m here to defend his right to do that. I happen to think that it is distasteful. I don’t think he would like it if somebody burnt a book that in his religion he thinks is holy,” Mr. Bloomberg said during a news conference updating the public on the progress of rebuilding at the World Trade Center site.

“But the First Amendment protects everybody,” Mr. Bloomberg said, “and you can’t say that we’re going to apply the First Amendment to only those cases where we are in agreement.”

Terry Jones, pastor at the Gainesville, Fla.,-based Dove World Outreach Center, a 50-member Christian church, ignited a firestorm when he recently announced plans to burn copies of the Muslim holy book this Saturday to mark the anniversary of the terrorist attacks. The proposed public torching has already sparked protests in Afghanistan, and NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen, among others, warned Tuesday it could put Western troops there at risk.

Mr. Bloomberg noted in his remarks that burning copies of the Quran could put “our young men and women overseas and America itself in greater danger than it was already.” Still, he said, a commitment to free speech means it must be permitted.

“If you want to be able to say what you want to say when the time comes that you want to say it, you have to defend others no matter how much you disagree with them,” Mr. Bloomberg said.

In recent months, Mr. Bloomberg has become an outspoken advocate of a controversial proposal to build a mosque and Islamic cultural center two blocks from Ground Zero in Lower Manhattan. There is “nowhere in the five boroughs of New York City that is off limits to any religion,” Mr. Bloomberg said during a speech at an annual Iftar dinner at Gracie Mansion last month.


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The pastor of the Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Fla., is no stranger to controversy. Interfaith groups and others are mobilizing to protest his planned Koran burning on Sept. 11.

The Gainesville, Fla., pastor leading a campaign to burn copies of the Koran on Sept. 11 is no stranger to controversy.

He denounced a local political candidate in Gainesville as unworthy of election because he was gay. He sent teens to school in T-shirts with the slogan “Islam is of the Devil.” He has decorated church property with similar signs. Now he wants to make a bonfire out of a book more than 1 billion Muslims revere as divine revelation to the Prophet Mohammed.

Terry Jones of Dove World Outreach Center is on a mission. According to his sermons and writings, he believes it is essential for Christians to take a stand against what he sees as violations of God’s law.

He says that Islam is “evil” and “the anti-Christ,” and that those who fight it are doing God’s work.

“The churches must stop hiding. We must stand up,” he says in a video statement on his website. He said Islam has a vision of world domination and unlimited financial resources “to make that vision become a reality.”

The book-burning protest, scheduled for Sept. 11, is designed to attract attention. Local officials and local religious leaders are now worried it is attracting too much attention, and the wrong kind of attention.

Gainesville police are working with the Federal Bureau of Investigation to monitor threats and head off any attempts to retaliate against Dr. Jones and his Dove World church.

City officials have refused to issue a fire permit to Jones. He says the move is a violation of his freespeech rights, and he insists that the book burning will take place anyway.

Counterprotests are planned across the street from the church during the burning. In addition, the Gainesville Interfaith Forum is organizing a “Gathering for Peace, Understanding, and Hope.” That event is set for Sept. 10, Friday night, and is open to Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Jews, and all others.

“The message I’m getting is that the vast, vast, vast majority of people believe that we can all get along,” says Dan Johnson, minister at Trinity United Methodist Church, where the gathering will be held. He said he’s receiving supportive e-mails from across the country.

Dr. Johnson said the centerpiece of the gathering will be loaves of bread from around the world.

The minister, whose church is a few blocks from the Dove World Outreach Center, said he’s been praying about whether to try to meet with Jones to encourage him to drop his planned book burning.

A few weeks ago, Jones called Johnson and members of the Trinity congregation “lily-livered Christians,” for failing to stand up to the threat of Islam.

The comments have made Johnson reluctant to meet Jones. “I just don’t have any sense that there is any point in it or that there is any common ground,” he said.

Nonetheless, Johnson said he is hopeful that Jones may change his mind and cancel the burning.

Jones has never backed away from a controversial cause, but until this summer he wasn’t widely known beyond Gainesville. What raised his profile was timing and the heated debate over the planned construction of an Islamic center near the former site of the World Trade Center in New York City. Jones rode a tide of anti-Muslim feeling into an international media spotlight hungry for a new twist on the story.

But it’s becoming more than just a debate or shouting match.

American military commanders in Afghanistan and the Middle East are warning that the controversy could greatly complicate efforts of US forces. Analysts say it threatens to establish a level of disrespect and distrust between Muslims and non-Muslims, potentially with violent results.

One indication of the increasingly vitriolic nature of the exchange over the book-burning event can be seen on Dove World’s Facebook page promoting “International Burn a Koran Day.”

Rather than intelligent discourse, it has degenerated into an Internet-based shouting match complete with profanity, pornographic pictures, and photos of severed heads.

Among the more tame entries is this one: “So where do I get a free Koran. I want 2 do some light reading. I uhhh don’t want it 4 any another reason.”

And this: “If U R a pastor and a Christian, would Jesus do this?”

The group’s Facebook page has inspired a similar page in support of “International Burn a Bible Day.”


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The head of a controversial church that plans to burn Korans to mark nine years since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks says he is not deterred by protests, death threats or warnings by the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, MyFoxOrlando.com reported Tuesday.

Gen. David Petraeus, head of Multinational Forces in Afghanistan, on Tuesday repeated his warning that any plans to burn the Muslim holy book — considered a major offense in the Islamic community — would jeopardize U.S. military efforts.

But Terry Jones, pastor of the 50-member Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Fla., told MyFoxOrlando.com that he and the church’s members feel strongly about their decision to hold the book burning despite being denied a permit from the fire department.

“We understand the general’s concerns, we are taking those into consideration,” Jones was quoted saying. “We feel it’s maybe the right time for America to stand up. How long are we going to bow down? How long are we going to be controlled by the terrorists, by radical Islam?”

On Tuesday, Petraeus said that even rumors of the possibility the church would hold a Koran-burning touched off protests in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Indonesia.

“Images of the burning of a Koran would undoubtedly be used by extremists in Afghanistan — and around the world — to inflame public opinion and incite violence,” Petraeus said. “Were the actual burning to take place, the safety of our soldiers and civilians would be put in jeopardy and accomplishment of the mission would be made more difficult.”

Though the National Association of Evangelicals and the National Council of Churches have denounced the plan to burn the Koran, Jones indicated he had support from other churches around the country. He did not name any, however.

Jones said he and members of his church are taking seriously several death threats directed at them, but if something happened, it would not be their fault.

“We will not be responsible,” Jones said. “We are only reacting to the violence that is already there in that religion.”


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I like this guy…We need more people like this voicing their freedom of EXPRESSION….

So it is ok to burn our great flag and burn bibles???

The pastor of a Florida church planning to burn Qurans told CNN Tuesday while the congregation plans to go through with the action to protest the September 11, 2001 attack on the United States by al Qaeda, the church is “weighing” its intentions.

Terry Jones, pastor of Dove World Outreach Church in Gainesville, Florida, who was interviewed on CNN’s “American Morning, said the congregation is taking seriously the warning from the U.S. military that the act could cause problems for American troops.

“We have firmly made up our mind, but at the same time, we are definitely praying about it,” said Jones said.

“We are definitely weighing the situation. We are weighing the thing that we’re about to do. What it possibly could cause. What is our actual message. What are we trying to get across.”

The planned action has drawn sharp criticism from Muslims around the world and U.S. officials.

The U.S. Embassy in Kabul on Tuesday issued a statement saying the U.S. government “in no way condones such acts of disrespect against the religion of Islam, and is deeply concerned about deliberate attempts to offend members of religious or ethnic groups.” It emphasized that it strongly condemned “the offensive messages, which are contrary to U.S. government policy and deeply offensive to Muslims especially during the month of Ramadan.”

“Americans from all religious and ethnic backgrounds reject the offensive initiative by this small group in Florida. A great number of American voices are protesting the hurtful statements made by this organization,” the embassy said.

Gen. David Petraeus, the commander in Afghanistan, said the burning of Islam’s holy books “could cause significant problems” for American troops overseas.

“It could endanger troops and it could endanger the overall effort in Afghanistan,” Petraeus said in a statement issued Monday.

With about 120,000 U.S. and NATO-led troops still battling al Qaeda and its allies in the Islamic fundamentalist Taliban movement, Petraeus warned that burning Qurans “is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems — not just here, but everywhere in the world we are engaged with the Islamic community.”

Petraeus said he was concerned by the political repercussions of the church’s plan.

“Even the rumor that it might take place has sparked demonstrations such as the one that took place in Kabul yesterday,” he said. “Were the actual burning to take place, the safety of our soldiers and civilians would be put in jeopardy and accomplishment of the mission would be made more difficult.”

He said extremists would use images of burning Qurans to inflame public opinion and incite violence.

“And this would, again, put our troopers and civilians in jeopardy and undermine our efforts to accomplish the critical mission here in Afghanistan,” he said.

One of Petraeus’ deputies, Lt. Gen. William Caldwell, told CNN’s “The Situation Room” that the event “has already stirred up a lot of discussion and concern” among Afghans.

“We very much feel that this can jeopardize the safety of our men and women that are serving over here in the country,” said Caldwell, the head of NATO efforts to train Afghan security forces.

Caldwell said American troops “are over here to defend the rights of American citizens, and we’re not debating the First Amendment rights that people have.” But he added, “What I will tell you is that their very actions will in fact jeopardize the safety of the young men and women who are serving in uniform over here and also undermine the very mission that we’re trying to accomplish.”

“I would hope they would understand that there are second- and third-order effects that will occur that will affect that young man and woman who’s out there on point for America, serving their nation today, because of their actions back in the United States,” he said.

Thousands of Indonesians gathered outside the U.S. Embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia, on Sunday to protest the planned Quran burning.

“The burning is not only an insult to the holy Quran, but an insult to Islam and Muslims around the world,” said Muhammad Ismail, a spokesman for the hard-line Indonesian Muslim group Hizb ut-Tahrir.

Jones said his congregation is well-aware that the action is offensive.

“We realize that this action would indeed offend people, offend the Muslims. I am offended when they burn the flag. I am offended when they burn the Bible. But we feel that the message that we are tyring to send is much more important than people being offended.”

Jones said Muslims are welcomed in the United States, if they observe the Constitution and don’t try to impose Sharia law, or Muslim law. The message, he said, is directed toward the “radical element of Islam.”

“Our message is very clear,” he said. “It is not to the moderate Muslim. Our message is not a message of hate. Our message is a message of warning to the radical element of Islam, and I think what we see right now around the globe provides exactly what we’re talking about,” he said.

The center says it was founded in 1986 as a “total concept church for the rich, the poor, the young and the old.” Its purpose is to “stand up for righteousness and for the truth of the Bible.” It stresses that “Christians must return to the truth and stop hiding.”

“We need to speak up against sin and call the people to repentance. Abortion is murder. Homosexuality is sin. We need to call these things what they are and bring the world the true message: that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life,” it says on the church’s website.

It also emphasizes its dislike of Islam and on its website blog posts an item called “Ten Reasons to Burn a Koran.”

“Any religion which would profess anything other than this truth is of the devil. This is why we also take a stand against Islam, which teaches that Jesus is not the Son of God, therefore taking away the saving power of Jesus Christ and leading people straight to Hell.

“It is our vision to go around, to preach and to challenge, and to get the church involved and ready. We must go outside of the walls, and march for righteousness.”

Commenting the other day on Jones’ critique of Islam, Plemon el-Amin, the imam of an Atlanta, Georgia, mosque, said that his words are “really quite uninformed.”

“But in America, there is the freedom to be ignorant,” el-Amin said. “The only problem is in the world, many people don’t understand that particular freedom. So what he is doing is like shouting fire in a theater, in a world theater, and people are upset.”

El-Amin said Jones has boasted of never reading the Quran, so, “He doesn’t know that he’s going to burn a book that has some of the most beautiful passages about Christ Jesus throughout, as well as Moses, Abraham and all of the prophets he reads about and says he follows in the Bible.” But he said the best strategy would be to ignore Jones, “like we do people on corners saying the end of the world is coming.”

Other religious organizations have joined with U.S. Muslim groups to oppose the Quran-burning. The National Association of Evangelicals is urging the church to cancel the event, warning it could cause worldwide tension between the two religions, and Christian, Muslim, Jewish and Hindu leaders in Gainesville have organized a “Gathering for Peace, Understanding and Hope” the night before the scheduled Quran burning.

The U.S. Embassy statement made the point that President Barack Obama said in his speech on Islam last year in Cairo that it is “part of his responsibility” to battle “against negative stereotypes of Islam” and made reference to interfaith efforts “to counter this kind of ignorance and misinformation.”

“And during his recent Iftar speech at the White House he said: Let me be clear: as a citizen, and as President, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country.”

In the CNN interview, Jones was asked about the Christian principle of turning the other cheek — not acting out in violence or engaging in payback and in deed.

“I think in deed that most of the time, we as Christians are indeed called to turn the other cheek. I believe that most of the time, talk and diplomacy is the correct way. But I always think that once in a while, I think you see that in the Bible, there are incidents where enough is enough and you stand up,” Jones said.

An armed Christian organization that had pledged to protect the Dove World Outreach Center withdrew its support from the Quran-burning last week, stating the event “may diminish the work of the Holy Spirit to witness to Muslims.”

That group’s founder, Shannon Carson, said he agrees with the church’s stance on Islam, which he called a cult “that is invading our nation.” But he complained that the “liberal media” is using stories on Jones’s plans “to distract, divide and enrage the public.”